D&D 4th Edition Updates and Toolsets

15 Responses to “D&D 4th Edition Updates and Toolsets”

1. w. Posted: Jun 29th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

   4.0 is awful. It’s an insult to dungeons and dragons fans. We deserve and apology, and a complete retraction of this awful attempt to capitalize on on the dumbed down WoW market. Reply to this comment.

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2. EvilDucky Posted: Jul 3rd, 2008 at 7:56 am

   W. is right! 4th ed is the WORST thing that could have happened to us life-gamers! Wizards ruined our game, and we deserve an apology!!!!! GurlGamers unit! Write and DEMAND your apology! I did :) Reply to this comment.

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3. truth Posted: Jul 8th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

   In all seriousness, it’s pretty awful. Reply to this comment.

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4. WRose Posted: Jul 10th, 2008 at 10:12 am

   I COMPLETELY agree that 4.0 is a horrible excuse for us long time D&D players but my gaming group has come to a consensus that 4.0 isn’t designed for us old timers *cry*. It’s designed to be a “gateway” game to bring players from other genres like CCGs and Video/Console gamers into the scene. Hasbro wants WotC to make MONEY and widen it’s appeal range. It just means I am playing 3.5 or Pathfinder’s 3.75 or another RPG system. At least we have choices. Reply to this comment.

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5. Player who actually gets laid Posted: Jul 11th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

   4e is fine. Lrn2play. Reply to this comment.

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6. BloodAxe Posted: Jul 20th, 2008 at 9:15 pm

   Did play it for 8 game sessions and I can say hands down, our entire group agrees, 4.0 sucks! Reply to this comment.

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7. 1013dragon Posted: Aug 9th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

   I have been playing D&D since 1982 and I understand “players” not liking fourth edition. But it has cut down prep time for me as a DM. I use John Four’s 5 room dungeon to build my sessions for each game and 4th edition has streamlined the Dm’s job. I have noticed a tremendous decrease in prep time. In the past editions I could spend up to eight hours prepping a game for a one night session. As many DM’s can attest, I have a life and can’t afford to spend that much time prepping game. My player’s bitched at first but as we began to customize our character’s with personal flavor text and really looked at the simplification of many rules. We proudly say 4th edition is a worthy RPG. At least, 4th edition gives you something else to say and do while swinging that axe for the 15th time in a encounter. Reply to this comment.

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8. Durgency Posted: Aug 13th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

   The first thing I noticed on the cover of the new books is that “Advanced” is gone. I have also been playing AD&D since the early 80’s and I’m very disappointed with 4.0, but as it has been said, us old time gamers are not WoC’s target market. The spoiled, short attention span youth of today, who don’t have the patience or imagination to spend hours making characters and constructing adventures are the intended market. Reply to this comment.

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9. Levii Posted: Aug 16th, 2008 at 2:10 am

   Okay… I get what some of you are saying. 4th Edition is VERY different from the old stuff, but seriously, you guys need to lighten up on it. I honestly think it’s great that they’re trying to appeal to a bigger group. It can be a gateway for people of this generation to try the older games, for them to get into games that involve more imagination. I honestly like the system, it makes it so we DM’s can have an actual life and game without feeling as though hours and hours of prep were in waste when one of your characters find a way to break your attempts to challenge them (F***ing metagamers) Plus, I find it better for painting a picture for your players. Not to mention they made Wizard’s not suck anymore. Let’s face it, before when you had a limited amount of spells per day a spellcaster sucked balls in a big dungeon where you couldn’t rest. I have my issues with the system myself (they kinda raped two weapon fighting and took away the familiar and animal companion) But as a whole I think it’s a fun new system. I think us ‘old school’ players need to open our minds a bit more. Remember how badly everyone reacted to 3rd edition? And it turned out great in the end. Reply to this comment.

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10. Fenrir Posted: Aug 16th, 2008 at 2:19 am

    If you don’t like 4.0, just bring out your 3.5 books. Unless you burned them in anticipation of the 4.0 messiah, they are still fine. and don’t bitch about no more releases for 3.5, as between my entire gaming group, we have somewhere near 200 different 3.5 books. If you ever, in your entire life, play with every single class and monster, or weapon, or spell, or feat, or ANYTHING, then you seriously need to rethink how you spend your time. WotC is a company, and if they don’t make money they shut down. it is THEY’RE product, and the LAST thing they owe us is an apology. Reply to this comment.

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11. Neckrone Posted: Aug 18th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    You are right. Hasbro does not owe anyone an apology. However, i am personally disgusted by the product they have created. There is a reason why this gaming system has survived when others haved burned out and faded away and they have all but destroyed many of the aspects of the game that many have loved. The reason for this, of course, was twofold. First, they want to appeal to a newer, younger generation that doesnt have the patience to learn the rules of the older versions of the game. What they dont understand is that the people who they are shooting for are not the ones whom they can depend on to keep coming back. They will buy in, then get bored and move on. Second, they wanted to make it like an online (WoW) game, i can only assume becaus they think it would be cool. The problem with this is that online games have been developed with the limitations of user-interface. That is, limited options and limited abilities. Online games werent designed with this system as an optimum method of gaming, instead this system developed as the best they could do with the keyboard interface that user’s have. A game system based on these limitations is a dumb idea, profit or not. If you are upset with Hasbro, dont buy their products. i dont anymore, weather i’m buying gaming materials for myself or games or toys for others. if they are only interested in the almighty dollar, then i am more than happy to deny them mine. Reply to this comment.

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12. OneTrickPony Posted: Aug 25th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    I was introduced to advanced D&D first edition in 1982. When second edition arrived, it was similar enough to first to be streamlined into the existing campaigns. Not much changed. When third edition came out, my immediate reaction was let’s check it out and see. After reading the books and trying to understand the newer rules, our group slipped back to second edition. Just within the last couple of years, we have begun to play with the 3.5 rules. I have explored fourth edition and after a discussion with our gaming group we have determined that this edition is not designed for us. In reviewing the books, I immediately recognized it for what it was, video game mechanics for paper and pencil play. I was disgusted and a bit disappointed that I had spent the money for the books before I had thought to check the internet to see what others were saying about the edition. It seems that creativity has gone out the window and the challenges are more combat oriented than ever. Character uniqueness is gone. Everyone now knows what this class or that character can do. There might have been two theives in the party in the past, but one might have been a specialist at locks while another was great at sneaking. No more. They all seem the same. Goes for every class. Anyway, I am now waxing nostalgic for the many nights I played first edition games with friends. Those were the best adventures and most creative campaigns. Yeah, wizards certainly had a hard time of it. One or two spells and you were shoved to the back of the party (with a guard so you don’t get ambushed of course), but it made things a challenge. If we continue to play D&D, we may stay with third or slip back to second with a few bits and pieces of third thrown in. One more bit. I’d like to express my appreciation for the game that Gary Gygax created, but alas, any vestige of what D&D was about has been wiped out by fourth edition. For those of you who have joined the tabletop community through fourth edition, I hope this opens a whole new world of opportunity for you. Tabletop RPG’s are great and there really is nothing better than socializing with friends face to face. Something just seems to be missing from online play. Enough of my ranting. *casts Silence 15′ Radius on self* Reply to this comment.

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13. four point oh sucks my a$$ Posted: Aug 25th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    they completely f-cked up big time. I’ve tried playing about 8 - 10 times with our group and we’re done. We’re going back to 3.5. We even tried skipping up to some higher levels to see if it got better — it doesn’t. What a train wreck. As a D&D player/DM who started with the pink box “basic set”, I’ve got to say this is the worst version of D&D ever by a very wide margin. Reply to this comment.

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14. John Posted: Sep 3rd, 2008 at 7:08 am

    I agree, 4th addition Hero Quest .. I am D&D sucks. Don’t worry D&D 4.5 addition will come out soon and will then become a full table top war game like warhammer Reply to this comment.

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15. John Posted: Sep 3rd, 2008 at 7:15 am

    sorry about the poor english above I agree, 4th edition Hero Quest .. I mean, D&D sucks. Don’t worry, D&D 4.5 edition will come out soon and it will be a full table top war game like warhammer. Reply to this comment.

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